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	<title>Comments on: Selling Is Important – Continuing the discussion (II)</title>
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		<title>By: TIP Guy</title>
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		<description>Hello MIP,

Regarding Hawkins: Per my calculation, avg dividend payout is 54% (SD 7%) for last five years. I believe looking at last five years only is very optimistic. Based on last ten years, the avg dividend payout is 44% (SD 35%). Extremely high variability. Historically, on basis of average, PE has been in high single digits to low double digits. Average has been PE 7.02 (SD 6.7). Even with EPS66/PE15, I tend to think it would be on higher side for buy valuation based on its historical PE. I do not expect dividend as high as Rs 40. If am correct, last years Rs 20 was due to some landmark in company&#039;s history (can&#039;t recall what?). I think Rs 10 was regular dividend and addition Rs 10 for the celebration event. So four fold increase in a regular year? Not entirely unexpected, but less likely. So I would not use that high dividends (to be conservative).

But one thing that I do not understand: your objectives have been kind of buy in and sell out. I am not sure why you focus on including dividends in your upside?. Assuming you hold when dividends are paid, it is most likely to take care of tax/transaction fees. 

Regarding HYD Industries.... 
I will need to go back to recall my observations. It is not of my list, so I do not read anything about it. Will get back to you. 

Best Wishes,</description>
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<p>Regarding Hawkins: Per my calculation, avg dividend payout is 54% (SD 7%) for last five years. I believe looking at last five years only is very optimistic. Based on last ten years, the avg dividend payout is 44% (SD 35%). Extremely high variability. Historically, on basis of average, PE has been in high single digits to low double digits. Average has been PE 7.02 (SD 6.7). Even with EPS66/PE15, I tend to think it would be on higher side for buy valuation based on its historical PE. I do not expect dividend as high as Rs 40. If am correct, last years Rs 20 was due to some landmark in company&#8217;s history (can&#8217;t recall what?). I think Rs 10 was regular dividend and addition Rs 10 for the celebration event. So four fold increase in a regular year? Not entirely unexpected, but less likely. So I would not use that high dividends (to be conservative).</p>
<p>But one thing that I do not understand: your objectives have been kind of buy in and sell out. I am not sure why you focus on including dividends in your upside?. Assuming you hold when dividends are paid, it is most likely to take care of tax/transaction fees. </p>
<p>Regarding HYD Industries&#8230;.<br />
I will need to go back to recall my observations. It is not of my list, so I do not read anything about it. Will get back to you. </p>
<p>Best Wishes,</p>
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